Comments on: Rules of the Road: True or False? http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/ Promoting non-motorized transportation in the Motor City Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Birmingham looks to possibly repeal bike registration | m-bike.org http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2405 Birmingham looks to possibly repeal bike registration | m-bike.org Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:19:53 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2405 [...] Comments Todd Scott on Rules of the Road: True or False?jeff dawkins on Rules of the Road: True or False?More ridiculous rules of the road | m-bike.org on [...] [...] Comments Todd Scott on Rules of the Road: True or False?jeff dawkins on Rules of the Road: True or False?More ridiculous rules of the road | m-bike.org on [...]

]]> By: Todd Scott http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2384 Todd Scott Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:25:18 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2384 The reason the media didn't report biking on Woodward as illegal is because it's not true. Bicycling on Woodward has been legal for the entire 130 years that bicycles been in Detroit and it's still legal today. Bicycling is prohibited on limited-access highways in Michigan, which Woodward is not. In fact a study is underway now to make it easier to <a href="http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/02/southwest-detroit-woodward-and-walkability" rel="nofollow">bike on Woodward</a>. As for Ms. Darcy, the cyclist killed on Woodward, she was riding very early in the morning when there are almost no cars on Woodward. In fact the <a href="http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2008/09/30/a-hard-working-mother-of-two-and-a-cyclist" rel="nofollow">number of cars per lane on Woodward at that time</a> is probably less than the cars on an average neighborhood street. The reason the media didn’t report biking on Woodward as illegal is because it’s not true.

Bicycling on Woodward has been legal for the entire 130 years that bicycles been in Detroit and it’s still legal today. Bicycling is prohibited on limited-access highways in Michigan, which Woodward is not.

In fact a study is underway now to make it easier to bike on Woodward.

As for Ms. Darcy, the cyclist killed on Woodward, she was riding very early in the morning when there are almost no cars on Woodward. In fact the number of cars per lane on Woodward at that time is probably less than the cars on an average neighborhood street.

]]> By: jeff dawkins http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2382 jeff dawkins Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:22:10 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2382 regarding number 2 ... riding a bicycle on woodward is illegal . something having to do with it being a highway ... M1 . on that note . when the bicyclist was killed recently on woodward ... I believe between 11 mile and 12 (i also believe during the night) . while the story is sad . it is a shame that no news agency used the story to remind people that riding on woodward is both not smart and illegal . regarding number 2 … riding a bicycle on woodward is illegal . something having to do with it being a highway … M1 .
on that note . when the bicyclist was killed recently on woodward … I believe between 11 mile and 12 (i also believe during the night) . while the story is sad . it is a shame that no news agency used the story to remind people that riding on woodward is both not smart and illegal .

]]> By: More ridiculous rules of the road | m-bike.org http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2373 More ridiculous rules of the road | m-bike.org Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:06:16 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2373 [...] Comments Todd Scott on Rules of the Road: True or False?Mike on Daylighting RiversJeremiah Staes on Rules of the Road: True or False?Todd Scott on Biking to [...] [...] Comments Todd Scott on Rules of the Road: True or False?Mike on Daylighting RiversJeremiah Staes on Rules of the Road: True or False?Todd Scott on Biking to [...]

]]> By: Todd Scott http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2363 Todd Scott Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:22:22 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2363 I agree that Clawson as well as perhaps all the others are unenforceable. Home rule combined with a lack of leadership/vision from the counties and SEMCOG is a primary reason why we have a lack of bike-friendly communities. I agree that Clawson as well as perhaps all the others are unenforceable.

Home rule combined with a lack of leadership/vision from the counties and SEMCOG is a primary reason why we have a lack of bike-friendly communities.

]]> By: Jeremiah Staes http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2353 Jeremiah Staes Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:14:39 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2353 Well, as usual in Michigan, state laws contradict local laws. Clawson's law is probably unenforceable, as Michigan law (usually supersedes local law) says you must signal, but Clawson doesn't allow you to comply with state law, so one could get that law thrown out methinks if it was ever challenged. Gotta love Michigan and it's layers of contradiction due to strong home rule - a clause in the state constitution that's cost us billions in redundant laws and services. I also believe that requiring licensing in some municipalities you ride in is horrid. There should be a Michigan bike license, actually, having a required one is BS too and serves no purpose - but obviously, this isn't about bikes, it's about a money grab for the local cities. Well, as usual in Michigan, state laws contradict local laws. Clawson’s law is probably unenforceable, as Michigan law (usually supersedes local law) says you must signal, but Clawson doesn’t allow you to comply with state law, so one could get that law thrown out methinks if it was ever challenged.

Gotta love Michigan and it’s layers of contradiction due to strong home rule – a clause in the state constitution that’s cost us billions in redundant laws and services.

I also believe that requiring licensing in some municipalities you ride in is horrid. There should be a Michigan bike license, actually, having a required one is BS too and serves no purpose – but obviously, this isn’t about bikes, it’s about a money grab for the local cities.

]]> By: Todd Scott http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2348 Todd Scott Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:58:31 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2348 By my count there are 53 local authorities in Oakland County that could potentially require bicycle licenses for anyone riding on roads which they have jurisdiction over. By my count there are 53 local authorities in Oakland County that could potentially require bicycle licenses for anyone riding on roads which they have jurisdiction over.

]]> By: Todd Scott http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2347 Todd Scott Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:51:29 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2347 State law allows local authorities to require bicycle licenses (<a href="http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-257-606" rel="nofollow">MCL 257.606</a>). It doesn't specify a residency requirement. State law should be changed to remove local authorities from regulating bicycles or requiring bicycle licenses. That would rid of this quirky city-specific rules. State law allows local authorities to require bicycle licenses (MCL 257.606). It doesn’t specify a residency requirement. State law should be changed to remove local authorities from regulating bicycles or requiring bicycle licenses. That would rid of this quirky city-specific rules.

]]> By: Heather Hansma http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2346 Heather Hansma Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:40:59 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2346 How can a city require you to license a bicycle if you don't live there? I work in B-ham right on the border of RO (where my address is). I'd be worried about all these laws and how I'm breaking them by being a good cyclist, but I highly doubt even the police officers know these laws... or if they do they don't care. How can a city require you to license a bicycle if you don’t live there? I work in B-ham right on the border of RO (where my address is).

I’d be worried about all these laws and how I’m breaking them by being a good cyclist, but I highly doubt even the police officers know these laws… or if they do they don’t care.

]]> By: Todd Scott http://www.m-bike.org/blog/2009/09/08/rules-of-the-road-true-or-false/comment-page-1/#comment-2345 Todd Scott Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:38:54 +0000 http://www.m-bike.org/blog/?p=2733#comment-2345 I wonder where they came up with 4 MPH? My only guess is that's roughly the speed of a brisk hike. I wonder where they came up with 4 MPH? My only guess is that’s roughly the speed of a brisk hike.

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